Red V-Raptor S35 XL vs Arri Alexa 35. Which makes more sense?


A battle of two Super 35mm beasts. Who will win?

Who would have thought Arri and Red will release Super 35mm cameras after the full frame craze a few years ago?

With the Arri Alexa 35, Arri has upped the ante with a camera with 17 stops of dynamic range. That’s insane, considering how the Alexa and Alexa LF had only 14+ stops and still had the most dynamic range of any camera.

The Red V-Raptor S35 XL is Red’s newest entry. We compare the XL version because otherwise it wouldn’t be a fair fight.

Both cameras have a sensor that is close to the Super 35mm standard. The Red V-Raptor S35 XL shoots 8K, and the ARRI Alexa 35 shoots 4K.

Both cameras are designed for the highest value productions – feature films, commercials, web series, etc. Image quality is paramount. To a cinematographer the choice boils down to subjective criteria. To a rental house, the numbers are important to look at.

In this article we look at both cameras from a technical and financial standpoint. In the end, if you like the look of any particular camera, the decision has already been made.

Treat this as a fun comparison with currently available information. There will only be one winner. Let’s go.

The basics

We’ll start with the price and sensor sizes:

CameraPrice (body only)Sensor Size
Red V-Raptor S35 XL$34,99526.21 x 13.82 mm
ARRI Alexa 35$71,000*27.99 x 19.22 mm
*Might change based on currency and location.

You can buy two Red V-Raptor S35 XL bodies for the price of one ARRI Alexa 35 body. That’s not the whole story though, as we will see. There is a big difference in the sensor size. The Alexa 35 has a taller sensor, and this allows it to be a true anamorphic frame. To know more about anamorphic read these:

Both camera systems need accessories to make them work, and you can purchase production sets that make it cheaper.

Here’s a comparison of what you get with each pack:

ItemRed V-Raptor S35 XLArri Alexa 35
Camera bodyCamera bodyCamera body
LicensesNone RequiredCine License*
Lens MountPL Mount (EF available)PL Mount
Lens AdaptersNone1 x ARRI PL-to-LPL Adapter and LPL Mount
External MonitorDSMC3 RED Touch 7” LCD and Hood and RMI CableNone
ViewfinderNoneMulti Viewfinder MVF-2 with cables and Mount
Media Cards2x RED PRO CFexpress 2TBNone
Card Reader1x RED CFexpress Card ReaderNone
Batteries4x REDVOLT XL-V/GNone
Battery Charger1x RED Compact Dual V-Lock ChargerNone
Battery AdapterNot Required1 x Power Distribution Module PDM-1
1 x B-Mount Battery Adapter
1 x 3-pin XLR Adapter Cable
AC AdapterNoneNone
XLR Adapter1x 5-Pin to Dual XLR AdapterNone
Top HandleV-RAPTOR XL Top Handle w/ ExtensionsProduction Support Set – Top
BaseplateV-RAPTOR XL Riser PlateProduction Support Set – Bottom (15mm)
Balance Utility Dovetail BUD-1
15mm supportTop and Bottom 15mm LWS Rod Support BracketsBottom Only
Side HandleNoneYes
Price$44,995$82,640
*Arri has not mentioned what this license provides that isn’t in the camera already. It isn’t available at the Arri License Shop as well, as of this writing. If I had to guess it would have to do with anamorphic modes, desqueezes, and maybe Arriraw, but then again, these features are already listed as standard as part of the camera body.

The price difference is obvious, but now let’s see if its justified.

Comparison of sensors and video features

Here’s how the camera sensors compare:

CameraResolutionShutterDynamic RangeISO
Red V-Raptor S35 XL8192 × 4320Rolling16.5250-12,800
ARRI Alexa 354608 x 3164Rolling17160-6400

The native ISO for both cameras is ISO 800. The ARRI Alexa 35 has more dynamic range, and it also has noise reduction at higher sensitivities, something Arri calls ES (Enhanced Sensitivity).

The Red V-Raptor S35 XL seems to have a higher ISO, but it has a lower low ISO. Filming in 8K and downsampling to 4K will have two added benefits:

  • More sharpness
  • Better noise reduction. Sometimes it’s almost as if you’re adding an additional stop of dynamic range.

I’d say the cameras are neck and neck here, with the edge going to the Alexa 35 for its higher dynamic range. Red’s DR numbers have always been higher than Arri’s, but doesn’t translate to real-world cinematography.

Regarding rolling shutter performance, Red claims the V-Raptor is twice as fast as any previous Red camera. Both cameras have to be tested to know for sure, so I’ll reserve judgement.

What about frame rates? Red has the upper hand here:

Max Frame RateRed V-Raptor S35** (17:9)Crop Factor^ARRI Alexa 35^ (16:9)Crop Factor
8K120 fps (150 fps @ 2.40:1)1.37N/AN/A
6K160 fps (200 fps @ 2.40:1)1.83N/AN/A
4.6KN/AN/A75 fps1.29
4K240 fps (300 fps @ 2.40:1)2.74120 fps*1.44
2K480 fps (600 fps @ 2.40:1)5.48120 fps2.90
*You need to use a 2TB capture drive to get this frame rate. The 1TB drive limits you to 55 fps
^Crop factor when compared to a full frame sensor
**Maximum frame rates are always not possible with the Redcode HQ setting. E.g., in Redcode HQ, when shooting 8K, the maximum frame rate is 60 fps. You only get 120 fps in LQ mode.

The Red V-Raptor S35 XL can do in 8K what the ARRI Alexa 35 can do in 4K. But note two important details:

The crop factor in 8K is better if Super 35mm is your goal, not so much if anamorphic is your goal.

You can’t use Redcode HQ for the highest frame rates, so you won’t get the best image quality. Whereas with the Alexa 35 you still get uncompressed ARRIRAW.

Most productions only need 120 fps, and both cameras deliver that. Red has the upper hand here with additional frame rates if the job requires it. The sensor is cropped at higher frame rates, which is nothing new for Red cameras.

The important distinction here is the added reach of an 8K sensor. E.g., if you’re filming wildlife with a 600mm lens, this is how it translates in practical situations:

CameraFocal length in 8KFocal length in 4K
Red V-Raptor S35 XL822mm1644mm
ARRI Alexa 35774mmN/A

Obviously Red has the upper hand for wildlife filmmakers.

There is no DnxHR recording in either camera.

What you get externally:

CameraSDI PortsBest external resolution and fps
Red V-Raptor S35 XL3x 12G-SDI4096x2160p @ 60fps 10-bit 4:2:2
ARRI Alexa 352x 12G-SDI3840×2160 @ 60 fps 10-bit 4:2:2*
*You can get up to 30 fps in 10-bit 4:4:4

ND Filters and Autofocus

A look at the various filters and features these cameras have:

CameraFiltersPre-RecordAutofocus
Red V-Raptor S35 XLElectronic ND filter: 0.6 to 2.1YesNo*
Alexa 35Clear, 0.6, 1.2, 1.8Yes No
*No autofocus in the PL mount.

Arri has optical filters, including a clear filter. These filters are better than IRND filters and are perfect for the sensor. On the other hand, Red has a higher ND range, and you can more precisely control ND.

The Red V-Raptor S35 XL has autofocus with RF lenses. In this comparison, we’re looking at PL lenses, and there’s no autofocus with either camera.

Audio

Let’s have a look at their audio specs:

CameraConnectionSpecs
Red V-Raptor S35 XLMic, Line +48V input via 5-pin24-bit 48 kHz
ARRI Alexa 351x LEMO 6pin balanced stereo line in with 12V power output*24-bit 48 kHz
*With Audio Extension Module AEM-1: additional 3x TA3 connectors (MIC/Line, +48 V, AES). With Red you need the LEMO to XLR adapter as well.

I don’t like the audio solutions of both cameras. They seem half-assed. The Alexa module has mini-XLR inputs, and that means another adapter for full-size XLR ports.

Both have an headphone jack.

I’m going to ignore audio for this comparison because clearly that’s not what these cameras will be doing.

Lenses

Both the cameras come with interchangeable lens mounts.

The ARRI Alexa 35 comes with a LPL or PL mount and a PL-to-LPL adapter with the kit.

The Red V-Raptor S35 XL comes with a PL mount with /i support. You can also opt for a locking Canon EF mount, as well as older DSMC3 mounts. None of them have electronic data, though.

Ergonomics and Monitoring

The ARRI Alexa 35 is weather sealed and splash proof, and is designed for tough environments. That’s a huge advantage. On the other hand, Red cameras have been used in tough wildlife environments (think forests and Antartica), and I don’t see major issues. Here’s what Arri says about the Alexa 35:

Before shipping, every ALEXA 35 undergoes extreme temperature and vibration tests to ensure a lifetime of reliable service on set. During development, the camera was shaken, frozen, cooked, and subjected to blunt impact trauma, while connectors were repeatedly stress-tested by robotic arms. The result? ALEXA 35 is temperature resistant, splash and dust-proof, and built to last, delivering a safe return on investment.

Arri.com

I don’t anticipate the Red V-Raptor S35 XL to be any worse. I’d still give it to the Alexa 35 though.

The V-Raptor S35 XL comes with a 7″ LCD touch screen monitor with which you can control the camera functions.

The Alexa 35 kit comes with a viewfinder with an HD OLED 4″ flip out screen. If you need an external monitor you’ll have to get one. With the V-Raptor, you’ll have to buy an external viewfinder.

Weight and size:

CameraWeightVolume (In cubic inches)
Red V-Raptor S35 XL7.99 lbs (with PL Mount, V-Lock) 8.08 lbs (with PL Mount, Gold Mount)331.5
ARRI Alexa 356.4 lbs (Camera body with three antennas and LPL Mount)278.4

They’re pretty much even now. The Alexa 35 will put on a bit of weight and size once the battery adapters are in place.

Now let’s look at the other interfaces these cameras have:

PortRed V-Raptor S35 XLARRI Alexa 35
EVF1x 3G-SDI (EVF) in the front2x VF ports (back and front)
GenlockTri-Level Genlock through BNC1x SYNC IN (BNC) for Genlock synchronization
TimecodeLinear Timecode (LTC) through 5-Pin 0B1x TC (LEMO 5-pin) for timecode In/Out
Wi-FiWireless Genlock and Timecode through Integrated Ambient Communication Network (ACN)WiFi module
White Radio for ARRI ECS lens and camera remote control
ControlGigE PTP through 9-Pin 0B
4-Pin 00B CTRL (RS-232)
1x ETH (LEMO 10-pin) for remote control and service
USB1x USB-C1x USB-C for user setups, look files etc
Additional ports*


1x LBUS (LEMO 4-pin) for lens motors, daisy chainable
1x SERIAL (LEMO 4-pin) for distance measuring accessories
1x Rear Interface (18-pin Pogo) for connection of modules and battery adapters
1x Top Interface (5-pin Pogo)
*Power ports mentioned below. Audio ports mentioned above.

This isn’t an extensive list, though both cameras cover all the important features well. The devil is in the details, and that’s beyond the scope of this article.

Media and Batteries

Here are the codecs you can record to:

CameraInternal RAWBit depth for RAWMax. RAW Data RateOther Codecs
Red V-Raptor S35 XLRedcode RAW12-bit800 MB/sProRes 4444 XQ, ProRes 4444, ProRes 422 HQ, ProRes 422, ProRes 422 LT
Alexa 35ARRIRAW13-bit*584.5 MB/sProRes 4444 XQ, ProRes 4444, ProRes 422 HQ
*From the manual. I’ve never heard of 13-bit before but if it’s in the manual and if it’s not a typo, then it must be the truth, right?
CameraMedia Type Price (2 TB)Price per GBPrice for 4 hours*
Red V-Raptor S35 XLRED CFexpress Type B$960$0.47$5,288
ARRI Alexa 35Codex Compact Drive$4,240$2.07$17,014
*8K HQ for the V-Raptor and 4.6K Open Gate for the Alexa 35.

The drives for the ARRI Alexa 35 are Codex Compact Drives and they come in only two variants, 1TB and 2TB. You need 2 TB to get faster fps, and it would be dumb not to get them. The price is murder.

You would also need a Codex Compact Drive Reader for $670.

On the other hand, for the Red V-Raptor S35 XL:

Red is allowing users to use any card in the market as long as they hit sustained 800 MB/s write. Very few cards do at this time. For an updated list of compatible cards, click here.

What about batteries?

CameraMountBatteryPower Draw (Body only)Battery Voltage
Red V-Raptor S35 XLV-Mount | Gold MountREDVOLT XL-G / XL-V65W-75W28V
ARRI Alexa 35B-mountBebob B290CINE 85W-135W24V

What about battery life?

CameraBattery life*Watt hoursCostCost of 8 hours of operation
Red V-Raptor S35 XL2.08 hours156$950$3,654
ARRI Alexa 352.19 hours294$969$3,540
*Assuming the highest power draw for both cameras.

I’m sticking to the official batteries and chargers (Arri’s B-mount stuff is made by Bebob), but you can use cheaper varieties as long as they are proven performers and can consistently deliver clean power. For V-mount or Gold-mount options with the Alexa 35, you need third party solutions.

Let’s have a look at the power outlets they both have:

CurrentRed V-Raptor S35 XLARRI Alexa 35
200 mAN/ASERIAL Connector – 12 V (4-pin LEMO)
1 A2-Pin 0B- 12 VN/A
1.5 A2-Pin 0B- 12 VN/A
2 AN/A12V (2-pin LEMO)
3 A2x P-TAP Connectors – 12 V (Combined)
2x 3-Pin Fischer – 24 V (Combined)
RS – 24 V (3-pin Fischer)
4 AN/ALBUS Connector – 24 V (4-pin LEMO)

I think you can adequately cover your focus motors and other gear through these cameras.

Which is cheaper to own?

Let’s add up the costs:

ItemRed V-Raptor S35 XLPriceArri Alexa 35Price
Production KitKit Cost$44,995Kit Cost$82,640
LicensesNone Required$0Cine License*$0
Lens MountPL Mount (EF available)$0PL Mount$0
Lens AdaptersNone$01 x ARRI PL-to-LPL Adapter and LPL Mount$0
External MonitorDSMC3 RED Touch 7” LCD and Hood and RMI Cable$0SmallHD INDIE 7 Touchscreen Monitor$1,399
ViewfinderZacuto Kameleon Pro EVF and Cable Kit$2,100Multi Viewfinder MVF-2 with cables and Mount$0
Media Cards2x RED PRO CFexpress 2TB$0.2x ARRI Codex Compact Drive 2TB$8,480
Card Reader1x RED CFexpress Card Reader$0ARRI Codex Compact Drive Reader$670
Batteries4x REDVOLT XL-V/G$04x Bebob B290CINE 14.4/28.8V 294Wh B-Mount Li-ion Battery$3,876
Battery Charger1x RED Compact Dual V-Lock Charger$0Bebob Dual B-Mount Battery Charger$379
Battery AdapterNot Required$01 x Power Distribution Module PDM-1
1 x B-Mount Battery Adapter
1 x 3-pin XLR Adapter Cable
$0
AC AdapterNone$0None$0
XLR Adapter1x 5-Pin to Dual XLR Adapter$0None*$0
Top HandleV-RAPTOR XL Top Handle w/ Extensions$0Production Support Set – Top$0
BaseplateV-RAPTOR XL Riser Plate$0Production Support Set – Bottom (15mm)
Balance Utility Dovetail BUD-1
$0
15mm supportTop and Bottom 15mm LWS Rod Support Brackets$0Bottom Only$0
Side HandleNone$0Yes$0
Media^For an additional 7 TB$3,365For an additional 4 TB$8,507
Total Cost $50,460$105,951
*No point comparing because the Alexa 35 audio module has two mini-XLR inputs. You still need mini-full size XLR adapters. I wonder who would want to work that way. Similarly, I’m not comfortable with the Red XLR adapter either.
^In addition to what is already provided in the kit or bought separately; so that the comparison is even.

It’s pretty obvious the ARRI Alexa 35 is twice the price of the Red V-Raptor S35 XL, when evened out.

Is it twice as good?

Verdict

First a recap:

FeatureWinner
Sensor and Anamorphic modeAlexa 35
Dynamic RangeAlexa 35
ISO RangeV-Raptor S35
Rolling ShutterTo be Tested
Built-in ND filtersAlexa 35
Frame RatesV-Raptor S35
CodecsV-Raptor S35
SDI portsV-Raptor S35
Lenses and MountsV-Raptor S35
MediaV-Raptor S35
ErgonomicsV-Raptor S35
Weather SealingAlexa 35
BatteriesTie
Power OutputsTie

Now we’ll let the cameras present their case for themselves:

CameraMajor ProsMajor Cons
Red V-Raptor S35 XL8K, Redcode compression, multiple lens mounts, RF mount for autofocus, HFRWeather sealing, higher frame rates only in higher compression
ARRI Alexa 35Open Gate mode, anamorphic mode, Weather sealing, Dynamic Range, worldwide service, repairs, availability and supportPrice, lens mounts, insane media costs, power draw

I’d pick the following two cameras in this way:

ProjectCameraMajor Reasons
Fictional filmsAlexa 35That’s what most cinematographers and filmmakers prefer. But you can use either camera, really. Arri gets the edge for its anamorphic mode and dynamic range.
DocumentariesV-Raptor S35Better battery life and media costs. Cheaper post production at lower compression settings.
Music VideosV-Raptor S35High Frame rates. Cheaper post production at lower compression settings.
WildlifeV-Raptor S35Better battery life and media costs. Cheaper post production at lower compression settings. Lens options, especially Canon EF lenses.

On the whole, I think the ARRI Alexa 35 will be a popular camera.

But if we are fair to this comparison, the Red V-Raptor S35 XL wins. It can do almost everything the Alexa 35 can, but at half the cost.

What do you think?

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4 thoughts on “Red V-Raptor S35 XL vs Arri Alexa 35. Which makes more sense?”

  1. I tested a lot of cameras, and after looking at the images in post settled on the C300III. It seems to have the pleasing look and dynamic range of the Alexa, the great compromise S-35 sensor and does everything well. Seriously, I can’t tell the difference between the C300 images and the Alexa (earlier Alexa) have not tried this one. But in all but the most super contrasty situations, the C300III delivers amazing images with beautiful highlights and soft roll off. And it only costs about 9K at this point.

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